Should Christians Immunise their children?

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Immunisation is a huge public health matter in Western countries. Is there a Christian viewpoint or are there many acknowledging Romans 14:1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.” 

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Wazza
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From another page: We had an awesome moment with the new doctor today. We have a child with autism, Lyme AND PANDAS who is starting with a new physician who is very pro vaccine. His office is pro food as medicine, natural herbs yet EXTREMELY strong worded posters on vaccinations and disease. however I needed his help in the area of pandas. He had posters all over from anti anti vax propaganda (the daily beast?) stating how the non vaccinated are spreading disease, and there’s a reason we vaccinate. (Claiming disease comeback in CA on us) We went in knowing… Read more »

Wazza
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I just stumbled across this.

http://www.livingwhole.org/dear-focus-on-the-family-youre-on-the-wrong-side-of-the-vaccine-controversy/

I wish all health professionals would honestly look deeply into this side of the issue instead of flippantly rejecting it all as ‘un-informed, un-scientific conspiracy theorism’, and just sticking to the government/health authorities official policy & parroting their responses. They never do due diligence!

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Wazza
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I have no problem with modern science Peter, as long as it is not ‘Junk Science’ masquerading as the real thing – which to be frank, is what I think vaccinations are. Medical science has given us many great benefits, and I am thankful for them; but unfortunately, I don’t believe vaccinations are among them. I’m not sure if it is what you mean, but if your daughters received vaccinations as part of their treatment, it is (scientifically) impossible to prove that they would not be alive today without them. That scenario is a very ‘convenient’ one for any vaccinations… Read more »

Peter Stavropoulos
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Of all the links you’ve suggested this video presents, by far, the strongest case against vaccines. Very compelling. I wasn’t referring to my daughters receiving vaccinations as part of their treatment, just that modern medicine and a good practitioner, probably, saved both their lives. I’m also passing this link on. Thanks, Peter.

Wazza
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Peter Stavropoulos
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Another excellent article Wazza, and I found another great Feynman quote amongst the comments -“Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”—Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize-winning physicist. I have to say, though, that both my daughters were very sick as young children and if it wasn’t for modern science and the efforts of a very good doctor (Dr. Hugh Allen) my daughters may not be alive today. But a very worthwhile debate, nevertheless.Thanks, Peter.

Wazza
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This is a bit crazy – What’s with the ‘Anonymous’ double-up of my reply?

Wazza
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And the article which I feel most closely aligned with:-

http://www.alabasterliving.com/blog/do-vaccines-violate-the-christian-faith

And I also suggest you read the great comments on this article at the end!

Peter Stavropoulos
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Thanks for the link, Wazza. The article gave a lot to think about. Even though some churches condone the use of human cells derived from aborted fetuses, I don’t. Thanks for the education. I’ll get myself more informed before I take my next vaccination. The term “Mad-Scientist” used to be in common use when I was a kid. I’m also passing this link on. Thanks, Peter.

Peter Stavropoulos
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Feynman was an interesting character. He wasn’t being derogatory of science by using the word “guess”. In another lecture (on the Double Slit Experiment) he said – “…. our imagination is stretched to the utmost, not as in fiction to imagine things which aren’t really there, but our imagination is stretched to the utmost just to comprehend those things which are there … ”

Peter Stavropoulos
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In relation to the question of “Should Christians Immunise their children?” several passages of scripture came to my mind, and the question of – is it possible to display equal faith making different (or even opposite) decisions on the same matter in a different context? Is “Faith in Context” a cop out? An excuse for little or no faith. In the Bible Jesus teaches that we should not worry about earthly cares, that God will provide. For example Matthew 6:25-34 , also Matthew 19:21 and Luke 7:1-17. With faith what need we of vaccinations ? That’s one point of view.… Read more »

Wazza
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I don’t think it is as simple as that, Peter Stravropoulos. Simply be choosing to vaccinate, whether we realise it or not, we are putting our faith in the principles of vaccination and accepting that it IS what it is purported to be. While I accept that all vaccinations are not the same, I reject any position, Christian or otherwise, based on assertions that the science is settled and that the efficacy & safety of vaccines proven. By the way, Admins, although I have checked the boxes numerous times, I still am not receiving follow-up notifications from this site.

Wazza
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Peter Stavropoulos
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Excellent article, Wazza. For me, the most interesting lines are – “Yet the same God who protected me from serious injury is beckoning us there.” And – “Of course, for our sake—and for the sake of those we meet both abroad and back home—we’ll be getting our shots before we go.”
Thanks, Peter.

Wazza
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Peter Stavropoulos
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Excellent article Wazza. Long, with many points. I’m going to pass it on. Regarding the scientific method this article immediately brought to mind Richard Feynman’s lecture on the “Scientific Method” [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYPapE-3FRw&list=FLxQ92_nS3aj2dzfVPDMQkRQ&index=17]and his famous quote about science “we never are right, we can only ever be sure we’re wrong”. This was in regards to physics, where minute differences in Mercury’s orbit led to the questioning of Newtonian physics and then to Einstein’s discoveries. He had scant respect for the “Sciences” that didn’t display the same rigor. Another quote of his, following the Challenger space shuttle disaster,”For a successful technology, reality must… Read more »

Wazza
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Love his assertion that scientific endevour starts with a ‘guess’!

Agios Dimitrios
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Yep, can see that. Isn’t that the point of the vaccination? Or are you referring to potential long term negative effects?

Wazza
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All negative effects – long and short term. Some vaccine damage (like death) can’t be reversed.

Agios Dimitrios
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To me the ethics are a little similar to whether governments should coerce people to wear seatbelts. We’re not so sure about that in our country. I understand that seat-belts have a risk of injuring people but they also save lives. I suppose however, that seatbelts don’t affect other people driving on the road.

Wazza
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Like bike helmets, seatbelts are also a tool, and are removable. Not so with vaccinations!

Wazza
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Although I hold a sceptical position on this , I refuse to be involved in any attempts at making it a ‘Christian’ issue by manipulating ‘facts’ & Scripture. I will though, watch with interest for anyone who thinks they can.
I think that all people, regardless of whether they are Christian or not, should be free to decide for themselves and their kids – without being forced or even coerced. And those who persecute others for holding a different opinion to their own should be ashamed of themselves.